: Dogs in the Vineyard, Sold Out
I'm out of books.
I'm printing a whole new batch - the so-called "second edition," although there's little enough new material in it - for GenCon. I'll start accepting preorders in maybe a week or two. I'm still waffling whether to increase the price and if so how much, I'll know better when I find out how much more it costs to print.
I'll be offering an "upgrade" deal for people who already own the first book, details when I know 'em. But really, nothing's different except those two tiny rules plus a few illustrations - if you already own the book, you already own the game, don't feel like you gotta upgrade.
I'll update the PDFs on the Forge Bookshelf - if you're authorized to download 'em now, you can just come back after GenCon and redownload. No upgrade price, no reauthorization, just download 'em. I'll send out a mass emailing about it when it's time.
1. On 2005-07-25, La Ludisto wrote:
Out of curiosity, how large was your initial print run?
Lud go "500."*
VB go "Actually..."*
MW go "25s?"*
VB go "Yep. but..."*
Dangit. I just gave my copy away. I was gonna order a replacement tonight. Oh well. I can wait for the next printing, IF I MUST. If I lick or pet the screen while browsing the PDF, is that a cry for help?
Another question: How much cheaper will the game be at Gencon compared to ordering it to Europe. I got a not-so-close friend going to Gencon and I wonder if it would be worth the fuss to get her to get me a copy (and maybe Polaris too).
I bought the printed edition (and have read it through twice now, though I'm still a little confused), and would *love* to get the PDF. I have this goal of getting all of my gaming books onto my laptop so that's all I have to carry besides dice.
Ninja Monkey J: I learn better by playing than by reading, certainly, but that's not the complete cause of my confusion. I raised this briefly on Ginger's blog, with a useful-but-wanting-more response from Vincent there. I have an enormous problem overcoming my resistance to the *setting*, while being completely enchanted by the mechanics and structure.
If it makes me think that hard, it can't be bad. I'd love a chance to play it with someone who understands it all.
Certainly the sexism is a big part of it, but I see that as an outgrowth of the general rigidity of gender roles. Not just gender roles, either - there's a cultural absolutism that is very much at odds with my generally chaotic nature. Further, I'm concerned that that is so intrinsic to the game that I couldn't just wander off with the tantalizing mechanic and play with that in another millieu.
And... I find myself regretting that. Ordinarily I have no trouble with setting aside a game as "not for me", but doggone it, I'm intrigued by the mechanic and really want to see it in play. The reports of actual play I've seen interest me very much. I just can't see myself running in that world, or playing in it for an extended period.
GammerChick (which Hi, btw), I hear you. I've written a lot (it feels like) about gender and gaming over at the Forge. Give the game a try. The female Dogs are just as awesome, and the way the gender politics play out can be surprizing, and revealing about the players.
GC, my group totally wussed out when they saw the opportunity to discuss something of import. My feeling was, if you use the setting, you get to - in fact, have to say something about rigid social structures, gender, violence, religion, love, and so on.
Without the difficult setting, it's too easy to avoid the issues.
It sounds to me like it's exactly the setting you want to play in.
Dogs is inescapably concerned with social hierarchy and institution. Even though Dogs are radical - they cannot enforce or restore the status quo - their radicalism a) must deal with, cannot escape, GamerChick's cultural absolutism, and b) is founded on violence.
Radical or not, you make people do what you tell them to by threatening them with damnation or a gun. That's not going to be everybody's game! I can't possibly begrudge that.
GamerChick, I think your sense that it pervades the game's rules is right on, too. No casual adaptation could be free of it. I think that if you want to play with the mechanics you'll have to wait for - or make for yourself - a non-casual adaptation. (Do I have a non-casual adaptation simmering in my head? I do indeed. Will it be a long wait? Oh yes, long.)
Curse my procrastination, I finally decide to buy DitV after reading so much good about it and now it's out of print...
Now, I understand why you didn't have this option while the books were available, but I was wondering if it were possible for me to buy the pdf *now* (to satisfy my curiosity and all) but being able to recoup those 14$ when I purchase the actual book once it's back in print?
I've just started taking preorders for the new Dogs book.
Preordered, it's $24 shipped within North America, $26 shipped worldwide.
I will not fulfill until September. Maybe not until the middle of September! Don't preorder if you can't stand that.
Okay, honestly, I might be able to ship books before then, and if I can I will, but don't count on it.
You can go ahead and buy the PDF now if you want to, though. It's still the old PDF, but sometime soon after GenCon I'll be upgrading the file on the Forge Bookshelf. When that happens, I'll send out a mass mailing to everybody to come download the new one if you want it. You'll upgrade automatically and for free.
Once I'm shipping orders, I'll figure out what to do for print upgrades - for people who already own the old book and want a copy of the new one. I'm pretty sure it'll be: pay me for the new book minus $14. It'll be the same for anybody who owns the PDF and wants to upgrade to print.