On 2009-04-08, Vincent wrote:
Callan, what you're saying is absolutely right. Where you're wrong is in thinking that I disagree somehow, or that I'm working from some other basis.
When I add 2 to my roll, that's a social act. Whether it stands depends exclusively upon the buy-in of my fellow players. If we agree, socially, to adopt the game's immaterial fiction as a basis for our buy-in, then it can be one, but only insofar as we continually DO adopt it as one - only insofar as we pretend that it matters. It doesn't, and can't, matter, except insofar as we socially treat it as mattering. Yes. Of course you're right.
The hilarious part of this is that the principle you're insisting upon already has a name, here and at the Forge. It's, um, my name.
Now, and I expect you to go along with this, this whole topic I'm raising assumes that, as a group, the players are adopting the game's (immaterial, fleeting, substanceless, matter-less, yes) fiction as a basis for their ongoing buy-in. Time to bring the thread back to that.
("But what if the players DON'T adopt the game's fiction as a basis for their ongoing buy-in?" "Then good luck to them. Talk about it somewhere else.")