2006-12-28 : Society and the heart of religion
I'm making a whole new post about this because a) the original thread was already plenty long, and b) the Forge has rubbed off on me.
Once upon a time, regarding the LDS church and in conversation with Brand Robins, I said,
The fact that you have to get away from a religion's heart to see it at its best, doesn't that tell you something about the heart of the religion?
To this, Stephen M (Ethesis) responds, more recently,
No, it merely tells you a great deal of what happens when society eclipses religion.
It may be that you already know this, Steve, I can't guess, but I'm positive that not everyone knows it: one of the things that Mormons get up to, both leaders in the church and its lay members, is declaring the church to be corrupt to the core. There's a robust tradition of malcontentment within the religion, cast in pretty extreme terms. Look at my dad's identification of the mainstream of the faith with Babylon Mother of Harlots, for instance (and he was, of malcontents, a moderate case).
Anyway, consequently, that quick exchange between Brand and me was the tip of an iceberg - it was an invocation of a whole institutional conversation.
So Steve! Are you talking about the LDS church vs. society in particular, or religion vs. society in more general?
1. On 2006-12-28, Larry Lade said:
2. On 2007-01-03, Dave Younce said:
3. On 2007-01-03, Vincent said:
4. On 2007-01-04, Dave Younce said:
5. On 2007-01-04, Vincent said:
6. On 2007-01-11, Brand Robins said: