2005-06-29 : Credit, Due

In his LiveJournal, here, Andy K. says:

Here's a new sample cover for Prime Time Adventures. If Matt enjoys lawsuits then he will certainly adopt this new cover. Originally posted on Chris Goodwin's journal, where more disappointing playtest info was revealed, and where we came to the conclusion, as we do ANYTIME the subject is brought up, that PTA is pretty much the (un)Official Firefly Game:


1. On 2005-06-29, Chris Goodwin said:

Holy crap!

If anyone wants in on the original discussion in my LJ, e-mail me at with your LiveJournal username and I'll add you to the list.


2. On 2005-06-30, Judd said:

I'm looking forward to the next edition of this game to come out.


3. On 2005-06-30, Council Member Coyote said:

With that cover, and if its "officaly" the unoffical, then I would get that. Especially if it has source material and background on the Firefly setting. I can say as a Dealer that most folks that buy setting specific games, look at the quality and depth of the materiual first and the system second. You can always use a differant system.


4. On 2005-06-30, Vincent said:

Alas, alas, alas.


5. On 2005-06-30, Chris Goodwin said:

There's enough info to run a Firefly game in most systems, and more than enough to run one in PTA, here.

I keep being slightly tempted to make a book cover with that image on it and use it on my PTA book.


6. On 2005-06-30, Matt Wilson said:

Don't miss the upcoming sequel: PTA San Andreas.

Seriously, though, if Fox hadn't cancelled Firefly, I might never have made Primetime Adventures.

Not like I'm going to thank them or anything. The fuckers.


7. On 2005-07-01, xenopulse said:

I just watched the pilot and the second episode. It's a good series. There's a bit of maid&butler dialogue still in there, but overall, it is definitely an intriguing show.


8. On 2005-07-02, Andy K said:

Hah, thanks for the link.

I can say as a Dealer that most folks that buy setting specific games, look at the quality and depth of the materiual first and the system second. You can always use a differant system.


The Firefly RPG is divided into two parts: The Rules Section and the Background/Story and Example Section.

Here is a link to the Rules Section:

Here is a link to the Background, Story and Example Section:

Unfortunately, the two are sold seperately, but it's highly worth the investment IMO. Together, they come to a total of about $50.  A reasonable price compared to other contemporary licensed RPGs!



9. On 2005-07-02, Council Member Coyote said:

Chukle. I applaud and approve Andy, but alas most gamers are geeks and source gamers are the worst. Whether thats good or bad I am not sure. I lean towards to the good only for the sheer volume of source books I sell for Buffy/Angel, Shadowrun, Warhammer Fantasy Role Play, and even the Authority at a whopping sticker price of $50. The best example though is if you compare the Warhammer 40,000 rule books.(not rpg I know but it does show my point) The hardcover is chocked full of fluff and source material and really very little rules at $50 msrp. Compared to the slimmed down rule book that has all the same rules, no fluff, a bunch on minis, terrain, rules, dice and templates, for $45 msrp. I easily sell 3 to 1 source fluff, to non source fluff. I even have some that buy both.

It brings up an interesting thread about source/setting playabilty.


10. On 2005-07-03, Scarlet said:

Note to self:
When seeking playtesters for new RPG, avoid Forge twunts at all costs.


direct link

This reminds...
MW of the Internet
Ninja of Afro Ninja
Andy of bitter cold
Adam of Scarlet Jester

11. On 2005-07-03, Ninja Monkey J said:





12. On 2005-07-03, Chris Goodwin said:

Wow.  I think that was an insult, but I'm not sure.

I will be sure in future to avoid RPGs by anyone named Scarlet.


13. On 2005-07-03, Andrew Norris said:

Scarlet (unintentionally) raises a good point about playtesting.

That is, it comes at a point where the design is a fait accompli. Playtesting of a commercial product is like beta testing software; the most they're going to do is fix reported bugs, like "Ability X is overpowered compared to Ability Y", or "You forgot to include a chart for falling damage".

Feedback like "The source material is better served by a small-press game, one-third the price" isn't useful at that point, whether or not it's true. :)

Design-level feedback is damn useful, but it has to come earlier in the process.


14. On 2005-07-03, Vincent said:

I especially like "twunts," like Scarlet doesn't have the nuts (pardon me) to use either of the real words.

Well, whatever. I make my sandbox public, somebody's going to come pee in it.

I see a couple of very good topics here: "playable" setting material, Trav's, and the whens and to-what-ends of playtesting, Andrew's. I'll make front-pagers of 'em.


15. On 2005-07-03, Matt Wilson said:

If it were 7-8 years ago, I'd totally want to set up the Forge Twunt webring.


16. On 2005-07-03, xenopulse said:

If you make a "I'm a Forge Twunt" t-shirt, I'll buy it.


17. On 2005-07-03, Council Member Twunt said:

Jeez, look what happens when I open my mouth. No wonder I got elected to public office.


18. On 2005-07-03, Eric Provost said:

I'll second the offer for the "Forge Twunt" T-shirt.



19. On 2005-07-04, Ben Lehman said:

I dunno about the playtesting.  I used a whole bunch of twunts, both Forge and not, for my playtesting, and got a ton of good feedback which allowed me to rewrite my system into something that was, you know, effective at doing what I wanted it to do.

Of course, I also asked them questions beyond "did you have fun" and "was there anything you didn't understand."  So that might have something to do with it.  More when Vincent front-pages.



20. On 2005-07-04, Ninja Monkey J said:

Under The Bed's playtesting was done with three distinct groups: traditional RPers, Forge twunts, and non-gamers. The non-gamers were amazed that you could play such a game at all, but unanimously enjoyed it. The Forgies gave solid feedback that dramatically changed the game to do what I wanted, and the traditional gamers had a hard time wrapping their head around the fact that you are compelled to make a story about stuff that matters.

I gotta put together some I'm A Forge Twunt T-shirts. I'll let y'all know when they're wearable.


21. On 2005-07-05, Matt Wilson said:

Maybe to ensure equal-opportunity hostility, we should use "prunt" or "twick" instead. I mean, if you're gonna mix genitalia-based insults, get some diversity in there.


22. On 2005-10-06, Nev (aka Dave.. or is it the other way 'round?) said:

I just ran across the cafepress page for these tonight. I definitely would have preferred "twick", I'm not sure I wouldn't get kicked out of my FLGS walking in with "TWUNT" on my chest, heh. That said, I might just have to pick one up anyway.

What was Scarlet's beef, anyway? Aside from having panties one size too small, that is.


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